1 00:00:04,789 --> 00:00:02,149 was a huge 2 00:00:09,049 --> 00:00:04,799 steak with a big Crown Dome 3 00:00:13,370 --> 00:00:09,059 a very dark gray color I mean it had a 4 00:00:15,289 --> 00:00:13,380 big flange going all the way around I 5 00:00:18,109 --> 00:00:15,299 could see Adam's 6 00:00:19,849 --> 00:00:18,119 sticking out of this flange with what I 7 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:19,859 took to be bleeds 8 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:24,300 on the top as I stood here there's the 9 00:00:29,570 --> 00:00:27,000 two balls came out two fours I think 10 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:29,580 there'd be about three feet in diameter 11 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:33,120 with about six beaks when they were 12 00:00:38,690 --> 00:00:35,340 brawling on these spikes they came right 13 00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:38,700 up beside me and 14 00:00:46,069 --> 00:00:41,840 I remember feeling a tug at that time 15 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:46,079 and a very powerful smell a choking sort 16 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:52,790 that was it it looked terrible when it 17 00:00:57,110 --> 00:00:54,960 came in the door and he just stood at 18 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:57,120 the door and I said have you had an 19 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:00,000 accident with your Lorry and he said no 20 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:03,840 I've been attacked and I said what with 21 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:07,200 and he said spaceship and I said oh 22 00:01:12,469 --> 00:01:09,420 goodness me there no such a thing as a 23 00:01:15,530 --> 00:01:12,479 spaceship I'm going to phone the doctor 24 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:15,540 you must have feel and hurt your head it 25 00:01:20,990 --> 00:01:18,479 looked quite shocked Andy he was drained 26 00:01:24,109 --> 00:01:21,000 he was raped white and his face was 27 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:24,119 dirty and he had a red scarf here 28 00:01:29,870 --> 00:01:27,360 and his clothes were all dirty in his 29 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:29,880 trousers and then he told me his 30 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:32,580 trousers had been done and examining the 31 00:01:38,149 --> 00:01:35,220 area I found two track marks and 32 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:38,159 approximately 40 holes in the ground and 33 00:01:41,569 --> 00:01:40,079 these are the track marks here and these 34 00:01:44,390 --> 00:01:41,579 are the 40 holes 35 00:01:46,789 --> 00:01:44,400 uh since then I've photographed the 36 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:46,799 Halls this is a photograph of the hall 37 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:48,600 here this is a horse that measured 38 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:49,860 approximately three and a half inches 39 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:52,380 and this other photograph here you can 40 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:54,060 actually see the trademarks which 41 00:01:59,389 --> 00:01:58,079 correspond to the marks here these 42 00:02:01,730 --> 00:01:59,399 markings and tracks would actually 43 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:01,740 inside this area here that's fenced off 44 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:04,860 and there's definitely no other tracks 45 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:08,580 leading to us from this area these are 46 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:11,940 the trousers worn by Mr Taylor as you 47 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:16,379 can see there are fairly heavy material 48 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:20,160 we have a tear on the left just below 49 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:23,700 the pocket and one on the right trouser 50 00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:27,060 leg again just below the pocket these 51 00:02:31,430 --> 00:02:28,020 marks 52 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:31,440 are consistent with the material having 53 00:02:35,869 --> 00:02:33,300 been pulled up 54 00:02:39,229 --> 00:02:35,879 while the trousers were being worn we 55 00:02:41,390 --> 00:02:39,239 must accept this story of Mr Taylor he 56 00:02:45,229 --> 00:02:41,400 is a very highly respected member of the 57 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:45,239 community a man of high integrity and 58 00:02:51,949 --> 00:02:47,400 not When likely to invent such a story 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:02:51,959 well I'm pretty certain that the I saw a 60 00:03:01,850 --> 00:03:05,229 [Music] 61 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:07,869 on the morning of the 9th of November 62 00:03:14,509 --> 00:03:11,340 1979 a West Lothian forestry worker was 63 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:14,519 following his normal work routine 64 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:18,300 11 o'clock I went into the wood and it 65 00:03:23,809 --> 00:03:21,180 was beautiful it just 66 00:03:26,210 --> 00:03:23,819 walk 67 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:26,220 this turned out to be far from a normal 68 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:30,060 day in the forest it had National papers 69 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:33,360 it had National TV that weekend and it 70 00:03:38,449 --> 00:03:35,519 really caused some interest in as far as 71 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:38,459 UFOs were concerned 72 00:03:43,250 --> 00:03:40,739 Friday the 9th of November was the day 73 00:03:47,089 --> 00:03:43,260 an alien craft landed in West Lothian 74 00:03:50,330 --> 00:03:47,099 Scotland it was seen it left evidence 75 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:50,340 or did it I was fairly skeptical at that 76 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:52,260 time I was certainly very surprised and 77 00:03:55,149 --> 00:03:54,000 skeptical that aliens had landed in 78 00:03:57,649 --> 00:03:55,159 Livingston 79 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:57,659 however I had to put that on one side 80 00:04:00,220 --> 00:03:59,580 until I could find my information about 81 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:00,230 the event 82 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:12,229 Dusty nasty if the crew of an alien 83 00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:13,680 craft were looking for the least 84 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:15,780 promising human to share an encounter 85 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:18,000 with that day Bob Taylor would have been 86 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:19,500 high on their list 87 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:22,740 no 86 there's been no room for nonsense 88 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:26,280 or wild imaginings in his life born in 89 00:04:30,590 --> 00:04:28,620 rural pasture Bob Taylor worked as a 90 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:30,600 gardener until the outbreak of war in 91 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:33,120 1939 when he joined the Fife and 92 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:36,479 forfeiture yeomanry as a tank driver we 93 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:40,320 went up to thrust to build some 94 00:04:53,689 --> 00:04:49,550 and then that was the start to the 95 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:53,699 Dunkirk evaluations so I'm afraid we'll 96 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:01,010 I was a tank driver 97 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:04,500 the tank driving is not much different 98 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:07,080 from driving a big lottery but you can't 99 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:12,710 a return ticket as part of the invasion 100 00:05:20,030 --> 00:05:15,600 of Europe in 1944 101 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:20,040 you have DD plus five when I went out 102 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:25,850 what would we rate up through France 103 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:32,090 eventually uh 104 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:39,529 after the war with the minimum of fuss 105 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:42,120 Bob returned home to work as a roadman 106 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:45,180 and in 1964 he applied to work at 107 00:05:47,770 --> 00:05:46,490 Livingston Newtown 108 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:47,780 [Music] 109 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:50,160 the new town was being built in the 110 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:52,500 heart of West Lothian barely 20 miles 111 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:54,300 from Edinburgh 112 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:56,940 even a new town needed forestry workers 113 00:06:02,290 --> 00:06:00,660 and Bob joined up it weren't a 114 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:02,300 commercial 115 00:06:06,529 --> 00:06:05,460 Forest it was just private for the town 116 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:06,539 day 117 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:09,539 I've never really lived in that town you 118 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:11,460 know 119 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:15,120 and tell her this Livingston 120 00:06:18,730 --> 00:06:17,280 I was there for the first house to 121 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:18,740 spread out 122 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:22,800 1964 and I watched it being built 123 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:25,500 the town of Livingston grew but the 124 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:27,539 efforts of the forestry workers remained 125 00:06:32,749 --> 00:06:30,180 generally unremarked until that morning 126 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:32,759 in 1979. 127 00:06:49,730 --> 00:06:47,029 that was my job first time to see that 128 00:06:52,249 --> 00:06:49,740 the gates was closed 129 00:06:55,490 --> 00:06:52,259 and that day 130 00:06:59,510 --> 00:06:55,500 I just walk them down between the plants 131 00:07:01,790 --> 00:06:59,520 the trees and the Thunder corner and 132 00:07:07,790 --> 00:07:01,800 there was this huge 133 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:07,800 vehicle just sat there in front 134 00:07:14,629 --> 00:07:10,860 I just stared at it for a while it was 135 00:07:18,830 --> 00:07:14,639 immense and then I noticed it 136 00:07:21,050 --> 00:07:18,840 two objects dropped down from it and 137 00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:21,060 made towards me 138 00:07:26,749 --> 00:07:24,360 there were there were two round balls 139 00:07:28,510 --> 00:07:26,759 and they were they went walking they 140 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:28,520 were gone 141 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:32,940 on spikes to come towards me on space 142 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:36,300 and they both landed up beside me and 143 00:07:42,249 --> 00:07:40,319 Greg me and he actually dermatized us 144 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:42,259 and 145 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:54,110 [Music] 146 00:07:57,409 --> 00:07:56,270 and then I tried to go home and I 147 00:08:00,529 --> 00:07:57,419 couldn't walk 148 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:00,539 I crawled 100 yards at least 149 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:04,020 I had a bed for fun and 150 00:08:11,629 --> 00:08:06,180 are going to the market who couldn't 151 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:14,210 and then I had to walk home I couldn't 152 00:08:21,589 --> 00:08:16,620 drive my Bedford 153 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:21,599 my wife was wondering what nurses and 154 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:28,730 so she said for my boss 155 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:30,840 Mr Drummond 156 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:35,399 and he came up to see what was going on 157 00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:39,000 and I told them well it says where I'll 158 00:08:41,449 --> 00:08:40,080 get the 159 00:08:43,969 --> 00:08:41,459 another 160 00:08:45,949 --> 00:08:43,979 work and then we'll go up and see if 161 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:45,959 there's any increases over and of course 162 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:49,260 they found the traces of it where it had 163 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,140 landed Bob's wife also called The Family 164 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:54,959 Doctor well that morning I was doing the 165 00:09:00,410 --> 00:08:57,480 house calls for that part of Livingston 166 00:09:02,810 --> 00:09:00,420 and we received a call at the surgery 167 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:02,820 from his wife saying that this patient 168 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,360 had been attacked by a flying saucer and 169 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:08,220 could we make a house call 170 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:11,100 so I arranged to do that and I went up 171 00:09:15,050 --> 00:09:13,200 to the house to see him 172 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,060 and how was he 173 00:09:20,329 --> 00:09:17,760 well he was rather agitated and 174 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:20,339 distressed but he was able to give me 175 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:22,380 quite a reasonable story about what had 176 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:26,389 [Music] 177 00:09:33,410 --> 00:09:31,080 I did a complete routine examination of 178 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:33,420 the vital signs heart and blood pressure 179 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:35,279 temperature 180 00:09:42,530 --> 00:09:38,480 and lungs and abdomen 181 00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:42,540 and there was no no basic physical 182 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:45,060 abnormality to be found the only thing 183 00:09:50,329 --> 00:09:46,920 we could find were 184 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:50,339 two marks abrasions on his legs one at 185 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:51,420 each side 186 00:09:55,730 --> 00:09:54,180 where his trousers had been torn and the 187 00:09:59,690 --> 00:09:55,740 whole thing did need investigating 188 00:10:02,630 --> 00:09:59,700 properly from a medical point of view 189 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:02,640 even in 1979 Hospital waiting times 190 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:04,800 could be tiresome 191 00:10:09,530 --> 00:10:07,560 Vanguard hospital is now derelict but 192 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:09,540 Bob's reluctance to wait could have been 193 00:10:13,310 --> 00:10:11,339 encouraged by the view from the hospital 194 00:10:15,530 --> 00:10:13,320 window 195 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:15,540 the dip on the tree line marks the spot 196 00:10:20,269 --> 00:10:18,600 where Dunkirk and Normandy aside he'd 197 00:10:21,710 --> 00:10:20,279 probably had the most scaring experience 198 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:21,720 of his life 199 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:24,000 might his visitors still be out there 200 00:10:31,790 --> 00:10:30,050 in the meantime Bob's manager had also 201 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:31,800 had the presence of mind to call the 202 00:10:35,630 --> 00:10:33,120 police 203 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:35,640 detective Constable Ian work based in 204 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:38,220 Bathgate was called to the scene 205 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:40,800 the officer who led this inquiry was a 206 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:42,300 divisional commander chief 207 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:45,360 superintendent David Scott now he was 208 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:47,640 first told of the incident by a 209 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:49,680 Livingston Development Corporation 210 00:10:58,490 --> 00:10:54,959 who was the employers of Mr Taylor now 211 00:11:01,850 --> 00:10:58,500 Mr Scott like most of us just found it 212 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:01,860 very very hard to believe that the this 213 00:11:05,389 --> 00:11:04,620 UFO had landed in indictment law that 214 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:05,399 morning 215 00:11:11,449 --> 00:11:08,880 and he took the approach that Mr Taylor 216 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:11,459 had been assaulted and therefore we 217 00:11:15,889 --> 00:11:13,980 would carry an investigation into his 218 00:11:19,490 --> 00:11:15,899 claim of being assaulted and that's the 219 00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:21,769 an assault calls for a scene of crime 220 00:11:28,069 --> 00:11:25,560 examination and that was Ian work's task 221 00:11:30,170 --> 00:11:28,079 first of all when I arrived the the area 222 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:30,180 had been fenced off by Livingston 223 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:31,800 Development Corporation to prevent 224 00:11:35,449 --> 00:11:33,720 anybody a 225 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:35,459 disturbing any evidence 226 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:37,740 but I had a good look around and I saw 227 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:40,800 marks on the ground numerous circles 228 00:11:45,170 --> 00:11:43,380 approximately three seen a quartered 229 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:45,180 inches in diameter and Mark's quite 230 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:48,000 similar to a caterpillar tracks 231 00:11:53,449 --> 00:11:50,399 [Music] 232 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:53,459 I then made a sketch plan I also took 233 00:11:59,150 --> 00:11:55,620 some photographs but this sketch plan 234 00:12:01,610 --> 00:11:59,160 proved to be a great piece of evidence 235 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:01,620 later that day we actually went down to 236 00:12:06,009 --> 00:12:03,120 Lovington Development Corporation 237 00:12:08,329 --> 00:12:06,019 offices where they keep their Machinery 238 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:08,339 because to be quite honest I thought we 239 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:10,320 could solve this then then by just 240 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:13,260 examining the trial the the marks on the 241 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:15,540 ground was their Machinery but after 242 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:17,279 examining every piece of the Machinery 243 00:12:22,310 --> 00:12:18,660 that they had up there 244 00:12:24,949 --> 00:12:22,320 we didn't find anything to match 245 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:24,959 what particularly intrigued detective 246 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:27,300 constable in work was that the unusual 247 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:29,519 marks on the ground were only to be 248 00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:32,760 found in the clearing itself these marks 249 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:34,560 just arrived they didn't come from 250 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:36,540 anywhere and didn't go anywhere they 251 00:12:41,569 --> 00:12:38,820 just arrived as though somebody had like 252 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:41,579 a helicopter just landed or something 253 00:12:45,530 --> 00:12:43,560 that landed from the sky 254 00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:45,540 definitely didn't lead to anywhere and 255 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:47,760 definitely didn't go anywhere 256 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,920 the job of protecting the scene became 257 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:52,079 much more difficult after the news got 258 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:55,200 out it can't be denied an apparent alien 259 00:13:00,170 --> 00:12:57,839 abduction was news 260 00:13:02,389 --> 00:13:00,180 the the following day that actually the 261 00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:02,399 snow fell on the site but there were 262 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:03,839 hundreds of people came up there the 263 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:06,839 following that day weekend and most of 264 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:09,060 them took away a part of the the soil 265 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:10,800 the dirt the grass whatever they didn't 266 00:13:15,290 --> 00:13:13,320 get their hands on they took it away and 267 00:13:17,769 --> 00:13:15,300 obviously over that weekend as well it 268 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:17,779 obviously caught the national press 269 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:21,180 television everybody was up filming it 270 00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:24,300 was obviously quite a major story 271 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:26,279 and among the first to put himself into 272 00:13:32,090 --> 00:13:28,980 the picture at the scene was a young UFO 273 00:13:34,190 --> 00:13:32,100 investigator Malcolm Robinson at that 274 00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,200 time I was a young ufologist I was ever 275 00:13:38,449 --> 00:13:36,240 Keen to learn more about the fascinating 276 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:38,459 mysteries of this subject and 277 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:40,800 immediately I contacted the newspaper 278 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:42,899 got some details from the Press reporter 279 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:45,300 and managed to take myself and a 280 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:46,920 colleague who went over to Dean's near 281 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:49,920 Livingston to speak with Robert Taylor 282 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:52,920 and we then went to visit the location 283 00:13:57,850 --> 00:13:55,380 where this incident had occurred we saw 284 00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:57,860 that the police had fenced off the area 285 00:14:02,990 --> 00:14:00,240 some colleagues of Maine from another 286 00:14:05,389 --> 00:14:03,000 Society had brushed away the snow and 287 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,399 you could clearly see the indentations 288 00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:07,920 in the grass which we have photographs 289 00:14:12,889 --> 00:14:10,079 of of the society we have photographs of 290 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:12,899 triangular indentations circular 291 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:15,480 indentations and track light marks which 292 00:14:22,490 --> 00:14:17,240 were left on the grass 293 00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:22,500 [Music] 294 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:23,519 I believe 295 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:25,800 35 stevia the police has changed so much 296 00:14:31,009 --> 00:14:28,500 the trees are so much toast so what did 297 00:14:33,889 --> 00:14:31,019 happen to Bob Taylor that day in 1979 298 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:33,899 did he encounter an alien spacecraft in 299 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:35,880 a forest in West Lothian 300 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:38,760 someone or something attack him 301 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:40,920 Stephen Knox and Stuart McDonald were 302 00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:43,139 work colleagues at the time I can he 303 00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:44,820 still remember how surprised it was at 304 00:14:48,350 --> 00:14:46,620 the time that Bob had came away with a 305 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:48,360 story like that because the type of 306 00:14:52,009 --> 00:14:49,740 person who was well there was no man 307 00:14:54,050 --> 00:14:52,019 that made things up he was a very quiet 308 00:14:55,970 --> 00:14:54,060 man and this would have been the first 309 00:14:58,670 --> 00:14:55,980 sight you got to come around the corner 310 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,129 the clearing is now half the size it was 311 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:04,320 then but in 1979 it was a hive of 312 00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:06,959 activity not just the police and media 313 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,660 it was also a magnet for UFO 314 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:12,420 investigators some of the investigators 315 00:15:17,629 --> 00:15:14,820 were anxious to believe others like 316 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:17,639 Stuart Campbell were incredulous it was 317 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:19,199 a member of the press who called me 318 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:21,720 about that telling me that an incident 319 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,760 that occurred at Livingston I was 320 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:25,920 dumbfounded at the time especially when 321 00:15:31,069 --> 00:15:27,839 he told me that there had been a robot 322 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:31,079 or some aliens had emerged from an 323 00:15:35,569 --> 00:15:32,880 object and frightened somebody 324 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:35,579 but I obviously had to continue with the 325 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:37,860 investigation of that event 326 00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,079 the first possibility to be considered 327 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:42,720 was that it was all a big hoax Bob 328 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:45,540 Taylor was having everybody on everyone 329 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:47,760 agreed that Robert Taylor was a very 330 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:50,699 reliable witness even the police 331 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:52,440 I was glad they were involved in this 332 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:54,360 they also confirmed that they could find 333 00:15:57,470 --> 00:15:55,980 no evidence that Robert Taylor was the 334 00:15:59,449 --> 00:15:57,480 sort of person who would make up a story 335 00:16:00,650 --> 00:15:59,459 in fact he was the last person in in 336 00:16:02,329 --> 00:16:00,660 Livingston Development Corporation 337 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:02,339 anyone would think would make up a story 338 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:04,500 Ike included that he was just a 339 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,600 phlegmatic Forester and incapable of 340 00:16:12,829 --> 00:16:09,440 making up this story we had to believe 341 00:16:14,569 --> 00:16:12,839 that he saw something or we had to 342 00:16:17,449 --> 00:16:14,579 believe that he was honestly reporting 343 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:17,459 what he thought happened so it wasn't a 344 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:19,620 question of finding anything wrong with 345 00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:21,300 his story it was a question of finding 346 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:24,120 out what possibly could have caused him 347 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:26,940 to have this experience I came to the 348 00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:28,980 conclusion that 349 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,779 in the the interviews that we did for 350 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:32,760 them he'd never changed his mind he 351 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:37,380 sticks stopped his story he was adamant 352 00:16:40,269 --> 00:16:39,480 that what he was telling us is what he 353 00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:40,279 saw 354 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,860 uh we had marks on the ground his 355 00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:45,600 trousers were told we sat there in for 356 00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:47,639 forensic examination 357 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:49,980 Bob Taylor's trousers and long johns 358 00:16:54,129 --> 00:16:51,720 were sent to Lothian and borders police 359 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:54,139 forensic science laboratory in Edinburgh 360 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:57,060 biologist Lester nibb conducted the 361 00:17:01,610 --> 00:16:58,320 examination 362 00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:01,620 there was a bit of as I recall mud and 363 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,720 and material that fitted with his story 364 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,280 of being out in the woods on that 365 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,720 particular day 366 00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:08,880 but obviously the main interest was the 367 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:10,020 damage 368 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:19,500 similar on each side but there were 369 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:23,040 similar facets to it and the particular 370 00:17:27,730 --> 00:17:26,339 one that I noted was that the tears went 371 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:27,740 upwards 372 00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:30,059 from the bottom 373 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:32,100 quite often if it's tearing to clothing 374 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:35,400 it will be sideways or downwards in each 375 00:17:42,169 --> 00:17:39,900 case you have a tear up there and tears 376 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,179 up there that both tears were were quite 377 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:44,880 ragged along the edges 378 00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:47,220 so although they were different in in 379 00:17:51,890 --> 00:17:49,500 Dimensions they were they were probably 380 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:51,900 caused in a similar kind of way 381 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:54,480 it seemed to be caused by a mechanical 382 00:17:59,049 --> 00:17:56,419 type of action 383 00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,059 in other words something 384 00:18:04,730 --> 00:18:02,640 hooking on or grabbing the the trousers 385 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:04,740 and breaking the fabric and moving up 386 00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:05,640 with it 387 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,020 interestingly there were a set of 388 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:13,200 long johns with this and the the damage 389 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:15,780 had extended through to the lower layer 390 00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:18,360 a skeptical view is that these tears to 391 00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:20,039 Bob Taylor's trousers could have 392 00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:21,660 happened while he was struggling away 393 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:22,919 from the scene 394 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,640 snagged on barbed wire for example I I 395 00:18:31,610 --> 00:18:28,700 probably would think not 396 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:31,620 for a variety of reasons one is that 397 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:34,200 most of barbed wire has multiple points 398 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:38,400 at a single Locus on the on the wire 399 00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:40,280 and you might expect 400 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:43,140 that to be reflected in the damage at 401 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:45,860 each of these points so barbed wire 402 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:48,960 probably wouldn't rate as one of the 403 00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:51,240 choices for causing the damage 404 00:18:57,650 --> 00:18:53,880 of course forensic science has developed 405 00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,660 dramatically since 1979 DNA profiling 406 00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,760 has emerged and would surely provide 407 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:02,880 some interesting new information I think 408 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:05,160 probably not because of the length of 409 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,980 time that it's taken since the incident 410 00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:10,080 and the number of people who've handled 411 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:13,140 this in the meantime most people would 412 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:15,240 have poked in the damaged area and 413 00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:16,620 there'll be DNA 414 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:19,620 a large number of people around that 415 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,700 area 416 00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,580 trying to pick the individual the 417 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:25,919 original individual if there was one 418 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:28,440 out of all of those will be next to 419 00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:29,700 Impossible 420 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:31,799 so nothing actually emerged from the lab 421 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:34,260 examination of the trousers to shake Bob 422 00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,820 Taylor's story 423 00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:37,919 that's not the same as confirming it 424 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:39,900 although that hasn't restrained their 425 00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:41,820 present keeper ufologist Malcolm 426 00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:44,220 Robinson from taking the trousers to the 427 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:46,919 people as if they did the trousers have 428 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:48,840 been in my possession now for well about 429 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,780 25 years and in that time I have taken 430 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:53,520 them to various venues here in the 431 00:20:00,110 --> 00:19:56,280 United Kingdom on tours on lecture tours 432 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,120 from uh you know skills colleges all 433 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:02,400 over the place where I regularly talk 434 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:05,580 about this fantastic case and show the 435 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:07,620 physical evidence the physical evidence 436 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:09,419 to go with this case 437 00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:12,120 UFO skeptic Stuart Campbell doesn't 438 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:14,580 think the trousers prove anything and 439 00:20:17,710 --> 00:20:15,900 how do we know the trousers weren't 440 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:17,720 doing before the event 441 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:20,280 s it is not exactly evidence that he was 442 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:23,100 attacked by a robot robotic aliens 443 00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:25,260 in any case Stuart Campbell has the rest 444 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:27,419 of the so-called physical evidence in 445 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:28,679 his sights 446 00:20:33,529 --> 00:20:31,140 the mysterious tracks phoned at the site 447 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:33,539 I wasn't sure what to make of them but I 448 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:35,700 did recognize some of the marks 449 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,820 as those made by grass when it grows 450 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:40,860 around objects lying in the grass as an 451 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,660 architect I'd seen this very many times 452 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:44,160 in fact most people would have seen it 453 00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:46,140 if you leave a plank or something in 454 00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:48,299 Grass the grass will grow around it if 455 00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:50,100 you remove it you've left them pattern a 456 00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:52,020 mold of this this shape in the grass 457 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,299 this looked to me like that and I was a 458 00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,400 bit skeptical at any craft had landed in 459 00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,039 this clearing what about the three-inch 460 00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,039 diameter holes in the ground I was able 461 00:21:06,909 --> 00:21:04,559 later to conclude that these looked like 462 00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:06,919 the marks you get when The Pick is is 463 00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,059 heaved into the ground and why would 464 00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:11,340 anybody put a pick in well to get the 465 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,080 planks and wood out that have been 466 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:14,880 trapped there lying there for some time 467 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,059 so there was a reasonable 468 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:19,980 um mechanical building construction 469 00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:22,260 explanation for these marks which I was 470 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:24,600 sure had nothing to do with whatever 471 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:41,330 you're here yes I'm amazed how small it 472 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,860 looks now yeah it's really the trees 473 00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:45,840 have grown so much that came in quite a 474 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:48,299 bit Stuart Campbell's dismissal relies 475 00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,280 on his belief that laborers at the 476 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:52,400 reservoir Works a quarter of a mile away 477 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,840 illegally stored pipes in the clearing 478 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:56,700 and then lied about it to cover 479 00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,460 themselves but Stuart McDonald and Ian 480 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,679 work don't think that proposition stands 481 00:22:05,870 --> 00:22:04,200 scrutiny well I certainly can't recall 482 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,880 about being stored here I couldn't go 483 00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:07,200 and see that they weren't stored here 484 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:09,000 but I've no recollection of that and 485 00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:10,440 what I would say though is the march on 486 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,539 the ground weren't consistent with uh 487 00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,400 pipes hadn't been laid there they were 488 00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:17,039 smaller marks and quite precise much and 489 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,539 not consistent with pipes I've been 490 00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:20,940 living the ground I would say that on 491 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,640 the morning uh I examined the site here 492 00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,400 the vegetation was green and I believe 493 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:29,039 that paints had been lying on the ground 494 00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:30,600 for any length of time it would have 495 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:32,039 turned the vegetation into a yellow 496 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,400 color so I would definitely say no and 497 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,960 these marks were definitely not made by 498 00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:38,220 pipes 499 00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:40,679 what about the circular holes left by 500 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:43,260 Stuart Campbell's pickaxes Levering up 501 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:45,720 illicitly stacked water pipes the 502 00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:47,940 diameter of these holes in the drive are 503 00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:50,520 approximately three inches uh it would 504 00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:53,159 have to be really really big pick and 505 00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:54,840 they were all going in at the same angle 506 00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:57,539 right around these tracks which first of 507 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:00,360 all thought well caterpillar tracks 508 00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,760 Stuart Campbell's skepticism is based on 509 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,500 the fact that we can't know for sure 510 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,720 that the tracks at the site and the 511 00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,640 damage to Bob Taylor's trousers and long 512 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,799 johns weren't present before he 513 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:12,480 apparently stumbled across the alien 514 00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:13,860 spacecraft 515 00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:15,659 another can Stuart Campbell proved that 516 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:18,299 they were but his main target isn't the 517 00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:20,460 physical evidence at all but Bob Taylor 518 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,640 himself and his loss of consciousness it 519 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,620 was out for 20 minutes he also 520 00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,840 complained of he had some peculiar 521 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,039 symptoms 522 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:32,100 a strong odor that he experienced 523 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:35,640 various accurate odor he's lost his 524 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,600 voice 525 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,880 after he came round after then 20 526 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:40,440 minutes he couldn't stand he had 527 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,799 paralysis in his legs his mouth was dry 528 00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:45,600 and he had his headache 529 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,059 the medical person I consulted my 530 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,700 medical colleague was quite satisfied 531 00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:52,860 that the whole experience was explained 532 00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:56,940 as an epileptic fit something it had 533 00:24:01,850 --> 00:24:00,299 happened it spontaneously to him however 534 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:01,860 he was prone to it due to his previous 535 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:03,740 meningitis he was 536 00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,440 predisposed to have a fit and if it had 537 00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,880 not had meningitis this wouldn't have 538 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,159 happened to him had you ever had a fit 539 00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,720 before 540 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:14,159 never 541 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,460 no have you had it fit since not at all 542 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:21,780 one would have expected more than one 543 00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,679 attack 544 00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,299 certainly 545 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:27,000 and if the meningitis was was it nine 546 00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,980 years previously 547 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,260 and it would have been surely to have 548 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:34,080 been attacked of trouble between in the 549 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:36,440 nine years between the original 550 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:40,500 meningitis and this event which occurred 551 00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:42,900 today Bob Taylor is happy for his family 552 00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:45,000 doctor to confirm the absence of any 553 00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,059 fits yet Stuart Campbell seems driven to 554 00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,280 explain how Bob got what happened to him 555 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,340 so very wrong I was looking at a lot of 556 00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,260 other UFO reports 557 00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:57,480 as mainly from other parts of the world 558 00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,320 and I was finding that in most cases I I 559 00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:03,440 could find an astronomical object 560 00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,600 usually one of the bright planets a 561 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:08,760 naked eye planets or a very bright star 562 00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:12,240 that was just where the Observer said 563 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:15,179 they saw something in desperation 564 00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:18,600 one day I decided to see if it had any 565 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,299 relevance to the Livingston event 566 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:23,640 and I was most surprised to find that 567 00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:26,100 there was indeed a very bright object 568 00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:28,500 near the horizon 569 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,620 in Robert Turner's line of sight in fact 570 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,840 in the direction which he was looking 571 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:36,360 and that object was Venus the brightest 572 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,419 planet that you can see Stuart Campbell 573 00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:41,820 not only proposes that Bob Taylor had an 574 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:44,760 epileptic fit but also specifically 575 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:47,400 asserts that the fit was brought on by a 576 00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:49,320 shimmering and dramatically enlarged 577 00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:52,500 image of Venus which he describes as an 578 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,140 astronomical Mirage you'll have all seen 579 00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,360 an inferior mirror on a hot Road in 580 00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,700 summer look it's not looking like water 581 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,380 on the road is actually the sky 582 00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,640 reflected 583 00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,200 and that's an important aspect because 584 00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,960 mineralities do do involve reflections 585 00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,880 but not that many people know that you 586 00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:10,740 get Reflections in the sky they call 587 00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,380 Superior miracles 588 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,419 Stuart Campbell argues that a reflective 589 00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:17,700 layer can form in the atmosphere as a 590 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,580 result of temperature inversion warm air 591 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,559 above colder air 592 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,720 this reflective layer acts like a mirror 593 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:27,840 or lens magnifying an astronomical image 594 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,600 in this case Venus and then reflecting 595 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,880 it to the ground when it's an 596 00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,500 astronomical object this is one I call 597 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,200 the imh because the object in question 598 00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:39,120 turns out to be an astronomical object 599 00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:41,340 to it which is probably very low on the 600 00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,799 horizon it can even be below the Horizon 601 00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:45,779 but you're seeing it because it's being 602 00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:48,840 refracted and reflected through the 603 00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,310 Stuart Campbell acknowledges that the 604 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:00,900 astronomical Mirage hypothesis is his 605 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:09,529 the Glasgow Science Center at Pacific 606 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:11,700 key has a planetarium which aims to 607 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:13,559 engage people with the excitement of 608 00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,760 deep space 609 00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,039 we wondered if the astronomical Mirage 610 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:19,919 hypothesis would stand up to scrutiny by 611 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:22,380 visiting astronomer Terry Mosley and 612 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:34,250 thanks very much 613 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:36,169 right so Terry here we have the position 614 00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,200 of the sun Venus and Mercury as seen 615 00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:43,620 from Livingston by Bob Taylor in 1979. 616 00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,539 yes that's correct those possessions are 617 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,360 absolutely right the difference is of 618 00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,640 course that what he saw was the real Sky 619 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,279 which was very very much more bright and 620 00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,320 in fact Venus would simply not have been 621 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,539 visible it's too faint and too low down 622 00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:59,700 and you have a bright sun in the sky and 623 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:01,080 it would not have been visible under 624 00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:02,700 those circumstances 625 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:05,820 Terry Mosley has grieved outs first that 626 00:28:10,269 --> 00:28:07,980 Venus was in a position to generate much 627 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,279 light at all that morning in November 628 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919 1979. well Venus is actually in theory 629 00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,080 visible in daylight but only when it's 630 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,240 at maximum brightness only when it's 631 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,580 high up in the sky and only when it's at 632 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,799 its maximum elongation distance from the 633 00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:24,960 Sun and that did not apply in this case 634 00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,539 it was low down it was less than half 635 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,580 its normal brightness and it was quite 636 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,620 close to the Sun so that would make it 637 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,840 in my view almost impossible if not 638 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:36,120 totally impossible to see it simply 639 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:37,559 because of the brightness of the 640 00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:41,039 daylight Sky the sun would have been 6.3 641 00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,279 billion times brighter than Venus so you 642 00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:46,440 simply do not see Venus in the daytime 643 00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,419 sky in those conditions 644 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,400 but even if Venus had been in the right 645 00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:53,220 place at the right time Terry Mosley 646 00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:55,020 doesn't care much for the astronomical 647 00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,620 Mirage hypothesis itself I think the the 648 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,080 atmospheric conditions that could give 649 00:29:06,049 --> 00:29:03,480 rise to that are so remote as to be to 650 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,059 all intents and purposes impossible it 651 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,700 would require basically a gigantic lens 652 00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,279 in the sky at approximately the right 653 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,500 time in the right place and that just 654 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,840 has never happened I have never heard of 655 00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,640 any phenomenon being reported anything 656 00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:20,279 like that 657 00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,930 [Music] 658 00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:28,799 plaque to Mark the site of Bob Taylor's 659 00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,820 experience 660 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,100 the plaque was stolen so often they 661 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,799 stopped replacing it 662 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,320 the idea of an alien craft Landing in 663 00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,260 West Lothian is certainly challenging 664 00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,779 but is the alternative explanation any 665 00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:44,820 easier to swallow 666 00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,340 an astronomical Mirage phenomenon that 667 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:49,860 has never been observed which induced a 668 00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:51,960 once in a lifetime epileptic fit 669 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,659 possibly unique to Medicine 670 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:56,880 I find an explanation you might find it 671 00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,240 hard to believe but it looks like the 672 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,679 best explanation and the best 673 00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,880 explanation when you haven't gotten the 674 00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,500 others looks like the right one I 675 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,419 honestly believe that what Robert Taylor 676 00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,399 saw that morning on November the 9th 677 00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,760 1979 was as he's depicted it this 678 00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,860 dawn-shaped object with a flange going 679 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,779 around it with cross-lit projections on 680 00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:16,799 a flange 681 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,940 what that object was I haven't a clue 682 00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,380 at the end of the day 683 00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:24,419 we treated this as an assault in Bob 684 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:27,720 Taylor in the forest today we have been 685 00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,140 unable to come up with any arrests 686 00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,020 charge anybody with anything and we're 687 00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:37,020 still the police alone retired now the 688 00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,179 police are still should be investigating 689 00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:40,799 this crime 690 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:43,860 and the culprit may have flown 691 00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:46,860 I think you might have flown somewhere 692 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:55,370 it's the thing that happens and it was